標題: [購買問題] Constellation ES3 or RE4? [打印本頁]

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-8 10:08     標題: Constellation ES3 or RE4?

Need to upgrade desktop's HDDs (for storage) from 1TB to 2TB
Currently using Suckgate Constellation ES (...MN0011)
Should I stick to Constellation ES3 (...MN0033) or switch to WD RE4 (esp. WD2004FBYZ)?

Recommendations needed

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作者: columbia    時間: 2016-11-9 22:48

Both come with 5 years warranty? Price will be the decisive factor for me. I prefer Xander and Synnex as well.

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-9 23:19

回覆 2# columbia

Depending on model, Currently mentioned may only contain Three years warranty because they are efficient but "outdated". If you care board issues, ES.3 (STXXXXNMYYY3) may be the last model of SEAGATE or WD series you can currently rely on .

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-10 15:55


What board issues?  Constellation's base PCB is buggy?  How?

BTW current stocks are VST-warranted only w/3 years on the Suckgate and 5 years on the WD
Synnex-warranted stock is almost impossible to find

Any suggestion?

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作者: columbia    時間: 2016-11-11 21:12



I would not pay extra for an enterprise HDD with 3 years warranty only.

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作者: columbia    時間: 2016-11-11 21:14



Capital and Centralfield do not have WD from Synnex?

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作者: harryytm    時間: 2016-11-11 22:23



Enterprise HDDs are built with higher shock resistance and fault tolerance, not just simply 1 extra year warranty.

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-11 22:35


These two outlets sell at inflated prices I think
I plan to source them at MKCC (Jumb0 or SE) instead

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-11 22:37


Which is another valid reason why I would stick to these HDDs as C: drive in desktop builds instead of those flimsy SSDs, as data integrity is more important

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-12 11:45

回覆 4# anon893

ES.3 has no strange issues as the model is not encrypted but Onwards (V4+, NM,VN,DM,DX) is encrypted, Let's get it straight,. Does ES.3 support T13's sanitize function?  If it was, then you would need at least two for ease and vice versa if for work.

Do you know the weakness of being encrypted? If there was no correct code, then your information will be presumed lost forever depending on strength of code.

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-12 13:00

回覆 10# polarhei
I only use them for home desktop and I dun need nor endorse HW encryption due to its ramifications

BTW what exactly is T13 sanitize command?  Read the web info but still no idea...

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-12 14:04

回覆 11# anon893

T13 sanitize is a function of crypto erase, for simple explanation, Key-Changing. If changed, then you will need enormous steps to get just one important photo.
   
I have found a note about the command, http://www.t13.org/documents/Upl ... oposal_Overview.pdf

Unfortunately, Only Seagate(R) has provided a handy procedure for hardware disposal or hardware return. Of course, If you need to void the equipment which supports the function mentioned, Simply remove the PCB board, Dip the board in strong acid or Hammer the board, That's all.

The being was usually found on FIPS140-2 certified HDD (SED). But now, From Seagate(R) Version 4 or higher and some enterprise model like HGST HE series, It is already encrypted, of course the level is lower than SED but still strong as SED has another function which ensure the unauthorized cannot plunder anything from the disk.

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作者: columbia    時間: 2016-11-14 20:48



You are right but I will choose WD RE because it comes with 5 years warranty.

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作者: columbia    時間: 2016-11-14 20:49



Yes, I note that MKCC has a lower price but EPS comes with a service charge.

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作者: harryytm    時間: 2016-11-15 00:32

本帖最後由 harryytm 於 2016-11-15 00:35 編輯

Who told you EPS don't have service charge? The shop don't charge you for EPS service charge doesn't mean that the charge don't  exist.

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-15 10:12

回覆 15# harryytm

I Have found there are several violations when paying by EPS or Credit card in Hong Kong but there are insufficient way to stop it. Of course if you buy something from big stores, you should feel stupid why paying by cash.

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-15 14:11


Actually I've witnessed quite a lot of ppl paying by cash at SE, Jumb0,......
All the brown and orange notes......

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-15 14:47

回覆 17# anon893

I believe these people don't fully agree with the servicecharge or ensuring something or These people believing urban myth...

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-15 15:34


I think paying w/cash at MKCC is part of the norm...
But you're saying even paying by EPS requires surcharge!??  How come??

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-15 16:08

回覆 19# anon893

Generally, Handy service requires something such as "Contra Fraud". The fee is merchant's responsibility but somehow some people abusing the hole while in other place, can't. If accepted it, You can either raise up yours to discourage people to pay by cash or pay few percent annually for "ad fee".

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-15 17:23

回覆 20# polarhei
Yeah right.
Let's get back to this HDD thing...

Current price for 2TB ~$95x-96x
Bad price or what?  Used to start at just $84x

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-16 10:27

回覆 21# anon893


Do you mean the price is for "Trimmed models"? In 24/7 models, 1TB means at least HKD 672 (Jxmbo). If for 2TB, I think a bit overpriced, which means you have to select Bigger. If you really need 2TB 24/7, You will rely on Toshiba MG series as MG series is  cheap right now, just HKD 800.

Of course, Bigger the "cheaper" if for 24/7 models, You should get 4TB (If you care brand as NM is relatively smoother than others) or 6TB (TOSHIBA ). Both priced at 16 hundred or something.  I think I no longer take any cheap models as cheap things usually make worse, It really is.  Of course, I still need to know how to tune WD BLUE for emergency as people think 100HKD 1TB should do.

There is one thing which I need to say, 24/7 model, the average price for 1TB is between 260 (Toshiba 4TB MG series)-480 (HGST 10TB PMR HE series with T13 sanitize options) depending on your needs such as physical space allocation, working environment and etc.

Unfortunately, Because of working nature, 2TB+ is cheaper than within 2TB. These people use somehow to discourage you to use old legacy system except 2.5".

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作者: anon893    時間: 2016-11-16 14:37

回覆 22# polarhei
Have to stick to 2TB due to still running XPSP3, so 3+TB is a no-go

These 2TBs are for data storage inside desktop, and I need absolute data integrity (besides making regular backups)

Never tried 東芝 and have no plans to do so, due to its iffy HDD track record

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作者: polarhei    時間: 2016-11-16 16:01

回覆 23# anon893

What  I am sure is, These people find somehow to discourage you to use windows xp directly, I have some ideas when dealing with the purchase issues.

The minimum requirement is already Windows 7 or Linux 2.6.X.X right now. Because of the cost and the ability, I shall do one thing in home if XP is still important. Base will be Linux 4.0+ powered, with Virtual PC software installed, Doing something like old configurations like 2TB, 2TB, 2TB, 2TB (Of course, the base is with new, robust, reliable methods).

I think you should plan how to phase out old storage system.

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作者: columbia    時間: 2016-11-25 22:30



Right. The price of 3C includes EPS service charge. The price at Jumbo is cash only.  

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作者: columbia    時間: 2016-11-25 22:39



Every time I go to Jumbo or SE, I have to withdraw cash at a nearby ATM first because I usually carry around less than $1,000 cash with me. I always buy 2 or more HDDs each time so I have to pay at least $1,xxx cash. The only other places I pay cash are shops that sell fish balls or Chinese herbal tea.
I saw a guy who bought a NAS and 4 WD RE HDDs and he paid $6,xxx or $7,xxx cash.