標題: [AMD] AMD Fellow Phil Rogers leave for nVIDIA [打印本頁]

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作者: dom    時間: 2015-10-14 10:43     標題: [AMD] AMD Fellow Phil Rogers leave for nVIDIA

http://www.anandtech.com/show/97 ... ompany-joins-nvidia

佢......有份 HSA 軟件優化 開發 .......

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作者: Ksec    時間: 2015-10-14 11:02

AMD 真係玩完。

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作者: alan216hk    時間: 2015-10-14 11:38

本帖最後由 alan216hk 於 2015-10-14 11:41 編輯

O....No....大家要捱貴CPU & GPU了

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-14 11:42



Oh well. People said that every year. However, if you take a look at AMD's book. Even if they continue to lose money at this rate, they can last till early 2019.

He is the lead of the HSA spec. HSA goes v.1.0 FINAL early this year and with APP SDK v.3.0 & Carrizo (first HSA 1.0 APU) out, it is very likely that he feels that he sees no more challenges in AMD. Just like Jim Keller left AMD when Zen's design has been finalized.

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作者: vsp    時間: 2015-10-14 11:51



好多architect當project差唔多完成,就會搵過另一個project玩,唔係自己會冇進步,冇 value

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作者: inone2    時間: 2015-10-14 11:51

回覆 2# Ksec


    未，放心，但幾年後唔包!!!!!!!!

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作者: dom    時間: 2015-10-14 12:07

AMD 佢咁流失人員既話 真係唔駛等用晒d 錢 就 RIP ...
R&D 依家都追唔上...

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作者: dom    時間: 2015-10-14 12:08



Well , he left for nVIDIA ......does it mean nVIDIA will join HSA ?

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作者: usei    時間: 2015-10-14 12:22



HPC 改行 HSA
ARM + N 卡 = HPC

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作者: Ksec    時間: 2015-10-14 12:43

When I say, finish. I dont mean now, I mean it has no future. And I can tell you for sure the software for HSA is NO where near finish.

Unable to keep talents is a important sign for company. Are there no more innovation or challenging position within the company?

With the Split of Radeon Technology Group, it is looking more likely they are preparing for being acquired. Broad dont wait until 2019 when they have nothing more left to act. They are in debt, and with no sign / future of clear turn over. The market for Client Computing ( That is Intel's term for Desktop and Laptop ) has been in decline with no sign of improvement. By the time Zen comes out in 2017, capturing even 10% of a declining market is meaningless. It could stay on for longer, but it doesn't change course for the company.
On Server Side AMD is lacking everything Intel is good at, Network Controller, Very Good ECC Memory Controller and I/O.  ARM Servers Chips are delayed again, with competition from Qualcomm, ( Not to mention not many want a ARM server chip, at least not yet, not now. )

Radeon has been rapidly losing market share to Nvidia.  

AMD, as far as product or IPs goes, doesn't even have a single thing that is leading the market or worth of any value. ( Besides x64 )

Not having a product that is good right now may not matter, at least there is hope with the talents they have their may be more things to come. But with all these talents leaving, ( and especially to their competitors ), it is likely AMD have its own deeper problem that no body knows from outside.

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作者: yjfoeg    時間: 2015-10-14 13:02

係時候入返塊380同入粒FX8370幫AMD做Farewell...

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作者: evan11    時間: 2015-10-14 13:18

記住leave for係解抽身去n記唔係向n記去a記。

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作者: yoyo348    時間: 2015-10-14 13:33

煙條唔會比AMD 死架，但好快celeron $1000.  i3.  $1500,

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作者: usei    時間: 2015-10-14 14:34



intel 無條件去加價
消費會流向 ARM

A72 有機會過到 atom Z3
ARM 不能代替 X86 但能吸走你的錢

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-14 14:50



Sure. Brain drain is an issue. But we have to take a look at the context of different cases.

Jim Keller is prone to jump ship all the time. From DEC to AMD to PA Semi to Apple back to AMD.
Rogers has been with AMD (ATi) for more than 21 freaking years. He may want to look for more challenges.

Right. AMD does not have a lot of things on hands. That's true consider how much money they are losing and how small the company is. But, at the very least, it has a lot of x86/x64 IP, Graphic IP, Sea Micro IP. They can become a professional/semi custom market only company, only keeping the necessary staff and stay away from Intel and nVidia and continue to survive that way.

And one more thing, we all don't know AMD's exact roadmap. No one can say for sure.

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-14 14:54



Nah. nVidia joined Open Power consortium. It may want to work with IBM to create a HSA like ecosystem  with its existing technologies like CUDA, NV-Link and Pascal. We may see a IBM power CPU with nVidia Pascal integrated with it or closely integrated together. (I.E. Power CPU talks to Pascal directly using NV-Link)

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作者: ken_wong883    時間: 2015-10-14 16:41

A記真係好危，Jim keller走左，依家老將Phil Rogers又走，如果明年既Zen - CPU同Arctic Islands -graphic card唔掂，真係等Farewell

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作者: dom    時間: 2015-10-14 17:15



I hope AMD can at least stay in market ......but reality is .....harsh ...
講真, 個個依家都手機平板 , 就算 ZEN 出到黎 , 重有幾多人會為左 "Desktop performance" 而換機

AMD mobile market 完全無影 , ARM 產品又delay ......連一向好打得既 Radeon 都慢晒比 N記打到 15% Market share  以下

我真係唔知 AMD 點撐落去...

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作者: dom    時間: 2015-10-14 17:18



Sadly AMD is not VIA ... which have a large"backup"  coporate to support it
MAYBE , just maybe  Microsoft can "EAT" AMD

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作者: dom    時間: 2015-10-14 17:21

希望真係唔係比我口臭 講中  AMD RIP @ 2016

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作者: cise4832    時間: 2015-10-14 18:14

AMD成日比N記同Intel挖角 /_\

聽人講Intel QPI都有幾個人來自AMD HT team
Kelper後N記都挖左AMD唔少人

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作者: yjfoeg    時間: 2015-10-14 18:43



係你衰
你睇下你用咩顯卡玩STAR WARS BETA

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-14 18:45



Matrox is still alive and it does not have a big "bank" behind it.

If AMD end up becoming another Matrox, it will be very sad indeed. But at the end, is better than nothing. If M$ is really into making high end devices, then they may. They just released S4 Pro and S4 Book, whether they are successful is still too early to be seen.

As of your other post saying that AMD is losing market share everywhere, I guess the board, Lisa Su, Mark Papermaster are all aware of this as all bets are on Zen and Greenland. They do not have the resources to have multiple development teams going to refresh product line. If Zen and Greenland are at least acceptable to the market, then AMD's life will not be too bad. If not, then yea, is GG.

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作者: Kundera    時間: 2015-10-14 18:51

nv is big in its own realm but in the world of HSA there are only AMD and intel.

I am not quit sure what they can do by hiring Phil. It's not likely IBM and nv will produce a SoC together, any kind of integration can only be done on platform level through a faster than PCIe bus. Whether joining OpenPower or not won't give any fundamental change to nv's HPC business. Perhaps the differentiation between CUDA for x86 & Power is just adding complexity on the path to HSA.

Meanwhile if you look at intel's upcoming Purley platform/ xeon phi then you'll know nv's GPGPU kingdom will not last for long. It's doing everything nv dreamed to do, in a unified x86 platform. All I see here is nv's struggle of encapsulated self.

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作者: Ksec    時間: 2015-10-14 18:58

@Stiggy930 @dom

Well it is more like AMD is dead, long live AMD. It might just be a very different AMD from what we know. As per @Stiggy930 example, yeah Matrox is technically alive, but i would call it dead. At least in the sense it no longer make any difference to the market.  Sigh

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-14 22:05

本帖最後由 Stiggy930 於 2015-10-15 09:58 編輯


C hing is right on most things but one.


   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPOWER_Foundation

In a way, nVidia can design a APU with IBM reference POWER 8 core. Just that, they have to share to all other members in the consortium. Therefore, nVidia is just sharing their NV-Links for now.

I think nVidia want to at least achieve virtual unifying address space between CPU and GPU at close to no performance penalty and want to make the future CUDA be way more easy to use. (OpenCL 2.0  has two modes of unifying address space. A lot faster than OpenCL 1.0 but still no where close to what HSA offer as HSA is built around a MMU that shared by both CPU and GPU that can do address space conversion on the fly.) At fast enough speed, NV-Link can reduce this performance burden further. I guess this is what nVidia is trying to do.

AMD actually has a similar project going on to speed up virtual unifying address pace for both CPU and dGPU by using Sea Micro IP.

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-14 22:07



Let's just hope Zen and Greenland and the HPC APU did not fail.

16 Zen cores + Greenland based graphic HPC APU does sound very promising.

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作者: BennyG    時間: 2015-10-14 22:26

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作者: Kundera    時間: 2015-10-15 05:02




Power APU is one possibility but so far we havn't heard of any code name or roadmap for this. There's a lot to do to achieve hardware level hUMA, I assume a modification in cache system/ memory interface of Power cores? Since it would be a HPC product that development will take much longer. If nv just started doing this we won't see an actual SoC in 3 years.

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作者: Ksec    時間: 2015-10-16 11:01

AMD New Results are out... and they are shit....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/97 ... es-hurt-bottom-line

Read it, and you can properly search for Lisa's comment at the end of the Results.

The only good news is AMD has  $371 million from their Remaining ATMP Fab Spin OFF, which means they can last a little longer again.... LOL

http://www.anandtech.com/show/97 ... ure-for-371-million

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-16 11:13



I guess most people expected this. There is basically NOTHING they can do until Zen and Greenland. All they can do is burn more cash to wait this out (if Zen and related products are successful.)

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作者: 掃馬想機    時間: 2015-10-17 00:09

amd 似間科研機構多過商業公司，

講技術不講商業利益同可持續發展……

遲早破産

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作者: MirageKnight    時間: 2015-10-17 03:39




2018年定2019係AMD的死期. 好似大部份發債, 貸款會係同一年一次過到期. 幾十億美金債務. 應該無得救.

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作者: razerbbl    時間: 2015-10-17 09:40

intel同老黃都實會保住佢條命既

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作者: dom    時間: 2015-10-17 23:13



Zen / Greenland is AMD's Alamo .....Last stand .......

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作者: Stiggy930    時間: 2015-10-18 17:26



If and only if they can't extends the bonds. But how likely banks willing to extend is another issue.